Guest: Mark Hodgson
Presenter: Wayne Bucklar
Overview: Mark Hodgson joins Wayne Bucklar in a conversation about his expertise in helping organisational leaders undergo transformation and reinvent themselves to create the best years of their career.
Guest Bio: Mark Hodgson is an executive coach, author, advisor and keynote speaker. He comes from a corporate background and has held senior leadership roles in the UK, Australasia, Central Europe and Russia. He is now a leading thinker in Transformation and Influence – helping leaders to unlock their inner talents for success and happiness. As a natural disruptor, he helps executives, consultants and entrepreneurs to position themselves as leading influencers. His book, “Time to Shine: Adapting who you are and what you know to succeed in the ideas economy” explains what we need to DO, BE and BUILD to show up as successful, fulfilled and authentic influencers.
Wayne Bucklar: You’re listening to Business Radio Talkers.FM. My guest today is Mark Hodgson. Mark is the Founder and CEO of Mark Hodgson Transformational Leadership Consultancy. Now sometimes I talk to people from Bob’s Garage and I know exactly what it is they do but Mark is a bit of an interesting case because I actually don’t know what “transformational leadership” means. So Mark, welcome to the show.
Mark Hodgson: Thank you.
Wayne: And can you tell me, what it is you do and who you do it for?
Mark: Yes, sure. So I’m an ex-corporate leader. So I left corporate around 7 years ago and I guess I’ve been on my own journey of transformation because I think there’s a lot of things going on in the world today and there was a common old paradigm, an old way of doing things and a new way of doing things. And what I worked out is both from a personal level and that I think with organizations and leaders, we actually need to change. We don’t just need to change, we need to transform so that means a big shift in the way we think, the way we do things and then if you like, in the way we actually be. So that’s the journey I’ve been on and what I now do is help individuals, and organizations and organizational leaders to go on that transformational journey. And they’re typically, look I’m 53, I’m a man obviously and I find a lot of the people I work with are in that kind of age, they’re probably 40 to 45 and above, male and female we all grew up under an old set of promises which were ‘you work hard, you study hard, you’ve got a university degree, you probably joined a large organization and you chunked your way up over time, you got promoted and you’ve grown a great career and then you retire and slipped off into the sunset with a pot of money and all was well.’ Now, that construct and that contract if you like has been broken and that doesn’t work for most of us anymore and we need to reinvent ourselves. So that’s kind of the transformation piece that I do a lot of of work on and with other people to help them to transform.
Wayne: Now Mark, you say that you’re based in God’s country which for someone from Sydney means Sydney of course. Being from Brisbane, I have to stand up for the most perfect weather in the world and for our listeners who are in Melbourne and elsewhere in Australia, I’m sure they’d be telling you you’re seriously mistaken about that. But do you work exclusively in the Sydney area or are you able to work on a broader footprint?
Mark: I work all over Australia and I do some work internationally. So I do a lot of mentoring, I do keynote speaking but interestingly enough we had a bit of a conversation prior to the interview, I always do an awful lot of work by virtual media, so Zoom which is what we’re using. And I find that’s both a very, very effective way of actually doing business and certainly around the mentoring work I do but also, it’s a really efficient way to work with people. I think one of the things that we all suffer from today is that crush of time. So being efficient, being productive using technologies, as you and I are using today is super important. So fundamentally, I can work anywhere in the world. I’m very happy to travel, I love travelling. And as I say, I’m a keynote speaker all over Australia and a bit of global travel around speaking as well. But when we could just do it from our offices via Zoom and that’s a smart way to fly I think too.
Wayne: And I identify with you about people leaving a corporate career. I did much the same thing like you about 7 years ago and these days, spend most of my time with a headset on talking to interesting people about what they do and I have to say that’s not always been an easy decision to make to go down that journey or an easy decision to maintain. I mean there are there are times I think when many of us who no longer have a nice corporate paycheck miss that fortnightly occurrence of the deposit in the account. So what have you found in your troubles Mark? What help do people need from you?
Mark: What you described actually is pretty accurate. The way I see and I alluded it to earlier. I think the game has changed and if you want to leave corporate, I mean I’m not anti-corporate but I do another work with corporate. So it’s not corporate bashing but if you are looking and I say, age 45 and over you probably are you’re thinking that what’s next, what’s the last 10 years or the last 15 years ago of your career looked like and you want it to be the best. And that for many people is designing some kind of portfolio career. And I think that is a completely different game, it’s a great game to play. But torturing the sporting metaphor, you need to see the game for what it is so that’s much more about agility, it’s about productivity, it’s about output, it’s about being very intentional about where you spend your time and I think it’s also very important you build some kind of professional and personal brand and get your stuff out there so that you stand out. So you need to see the game for one and then the second thing is you need to get fit for the game. We get up to speed, workout and we’ve spoken about using technology about a productivity mindset, about not being bashful around things like your being in front of the camera or creating your thought pieces and sharing stuff on social media around blogs, or video blogs, or speaking or bringing people together. It’s a very different pace to that in corporate. I mean you eat more of what you kill and so you learn if you like to hunt and be much more intentional. It shouldn’t be aggressive, it’s not about aggression but it’s about a focus but when you get that productivity and output focus correct and when you workout, see the game and then learn how to get fit and then play the game, it can be really fantastic. I do that now and I help other people to do it and I’ve replaced my corporate salary now. But to your point, it’s a YouTube, you go down and then you come off a solid platform out of a predictable to a full weekly income and you dive off the slope, interchange in fear, you go through the bottom of the YouTube and hopefully up out of the other side. What I help people to do is go through the YouTube quickly and with a sense of momentum so they do come out the other side because the danger if you don’t, the danger is you get stuck in that place where the confidence goes, people don’t know how to move forward and then you meet those people, you ask them, “What are you doing?” And they say, “Well, I used to be the general manager of ABC Co.” You say, “You’re defining yourself by what you used to be” then that’s probably an indication you kind of probably need to rethink where you are because this is what I say, “This is what I do, this is who I help, this is what I’m excited about doing,” and I talk about it’s not just sound bites hopefully. I talk about helping people to create the best 10 years of their careers. There’s no reason that you’re 50 to 60, that decade can be the best of your career, it shouldn’t be just sort of hanging on and kind of diminishing slowly and trying not to get cut in some kind of corporate rearrangement. So that’s kind of I guess both my philosophy and also what I do.
Wayne: Now Mark, I want to just address your keynote speaking for a moment because one of the groups of people we have listened to us are the people who lost the election. They are at a staff meeting when they’re planning next year’s corporate retreat or next year’s event or conference and they said, “Now we need someone to organize the speakers.” And the people I’m addressing now are the people who lost that and got the job and they’re the most nervous people that at a conference that the speaker is always nervous because a bit of nerves helps before you go onstage. But the person who booked the speaker is down the back of the room going, “This could be career-ending for me, I hope I’ve got the right one.” So for those people, what do they get when they book you?
Mark: I throw a rock at those kind of motivational speakers because it’s great when you know you’ve got some person and you know they’re gonna take you on a journey and there’s gonna be highs, there’s gonna be lows, they’re gonna be a moral at the end and you can kind of metaphorically, you can kick back, you always want to be sitting there with a big box of popcorn because you know you’ll be entertained for an hour. And I say, well that ain’t what I do. So what I will do is challenge people in a good way because I think if you’re bringing people together in a conference, that’s a big investment of time and an opportunity cost in money as well. If all you’re going to do is give them information, then send them a video, refer them to some TED Talks. I believe that the important thing we’re actually bringing people together and as an organizational event is to get standing out of that time together. So I will challenge, provoke, encourage, I’ll make you laugh and smile, I hope I will do that but I give you a lot of information to either accept or reject but basically, I want my audience to be moved from what I think, I want them to come out at the end of the 45 or 60 minutes with me thinking, “Okay, that guy challenge me. I’d like that bit, I disagree with that bit.” But I will challenge you in a good way because I think that’s the role. And funnily enough, people actually say that was a great motivational speech but I don’t consider myself a motivational speaker because a lot of speakers which are used to much content because I want people to go away with tools and ideas they can actually implement when they get back to work on a Monday morning because if all you’ve done in an event is taking people away from their desk for two days, they got a great time and then they go, “That was a great two days” and then they get back to work on Monday and they go, “So what do I learn from those two days away? There was a thing that I can’t really remember it.” And then a month later, it’s just a distant memory, I think you’ve missed an opportunity. So I like me to go much more with a positively challenging, and growing and information heavy session that really is going to stretch people. We need to react, we need to change, I talk about getting fit for this new world of work or whatever you want to talk about. That’s kind of where I come from as a speaker.
Wayne: Now Mark hopefully, there’ll be people in our audience now saying, “We need a bit more of this Mark Hodgson guy, we need a bit more of what he’s talking about both as a keynote speaker under the consultant.” How can those people reach up to you?
Mark: Very easily. So they can email me which is [email protected] or they can reach me also via my webpage which is markhodgson.com.au or they can telephone me which is old school are actually very effective which is +61 425 230335.
Wayne: And if you’ve just missed those phone numbers and websites, please don’t panic, we’ll have them in the show notes and also on the transcript so you’ll be able to read them there. Mark, thanks for being with us today. I do appreciate your time.
Mark: I really appreciate the opportunity, thank you so much.
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